Will The Real GeForce 9 Series Please Stand Up?

hmm , the memory bandwidth is such HUGE :D

btw , 600$$$$$ OMG , i hope ATI make somthing to get back into the compitition again , so that those prices drop!

Oh yeah this is going to be good. I figured they would probably go the 600 route since they seem to do that with all there high end products.

(1107,000,000 x 2)[cycles/sec] x 512 [bits/cycle] x 1/8 [bytes/bit] x 1/1024^3 [GBytes/Byte] =~ 130GB/s =! 160GB/s. My mathz are good. You can double check them. Sorry kids, not 165 GB/s, 130 is still very impressive.

Mike, how did you not catch that though?

Pricing and performance-wise this launch looks very similar to the G80 8800GTS and GTX, I wonder if GTX280 will stay the topcard as long as 8800GTX again.

well "MrWizard6600" , it seems that your calculations are right , =~ 132 GB/sec.

but i have a noob question here ;) ,

the term ( 1/1024^3 [GBytes/Byte] ) hmm , i dont know what it means !?

@MrWizard: I accidentally used the shader core clock when I was doing the math. Also, the standard is to use 1000, not 1024 when doing the math. Don't ask me why, 1024 is correct, but everyone uses 1000.

hey Mike :D , just wanted to say that the GTX 260 is still on 165 GB/sec. mem. BW. :) , it should be 111 GB/sec. i think

btw , the 141 GB/sec is the right one for the 280 , not 132 GB/sec as i said before , i rechecked my calculations

make that 28ROPs for the GTX260

i think its ~= 112GBps not 132GBps

Yes, please.

uhh..I know i have no place, cuz I'm an AMD/ATI guy, but $600?? I am gettin 2 ATI cards for that much, and yay I don't have to upgrade my psu this time.

@sigmapsicharlie

Watts up sigma? not my power bill of course, har har har har.
we should make a club. I'm not doing a card that wants to eat half my power supply. I bought an Antec Neo HE before I started reading PSU reviews. Luckey for me I landed myself something decent, but still, this thing will cope with only one of those cards, or two or perhalps even three RV770s.

I am not looking forward to seing the GTX280s thermal production. It's going to hit 80C no trouble.

Yeah, I said it before and I'll said it again, I think NV might be in trouble here. Very, very, very, nice specs, to be sure, but the price paid for that performance is astronomical. 1,000,000,000 transistors 65nm process = ouch combo. While I'm betting it'l put down the frames like nothing else it's going to do so while guzzling your electric bill, heating your room, and costing you an arm and a leg up front. Not cool :S.

ATis solution, while performing maybe 70% as fast, does so while consuming less than half the power at load and a fraction at idle, thus producing less heat. Its smaller die means that the yield is much better so they can charge something I can afford too.

Anyways, wait and see!

yea lets wait , but i am not expecting lower prices for NV cards :(

600 USD... lol , the HD 4870X2 will be around 500USD ... so it wont be the end of ATi... not by far .
And also , the HD 4870 X2 will most likely consume far less power and produce far less noise and heat .
Well , I guess it's the same thing all over again.. moving over to dual cores , just like with CPUs ... then again there are bigger limits on GPUs , than CPUs , when it comes to making several cored cards .

Right, cuz people who drop $600 on the fastest video card around get their panties in a twist when they need a new power supply...*rollseyes*

The more interesting questions are, what will nVidia have to compete at the $300 price point? Will G92-based cards be enough to hold the line till they get a new chip out the door? And, will a dual RV770 board be faster than a GTX 280?

I can't help but wonder... did nVidia dig it's own grave or not... because since it's slower than it first was intended to be and will be consuming 236W of power , I doubt it'll enjoy the same success as the 8800 GTX did . Not to mention the thermal issues... I wonder how many people will fry their brand new 9900 GTX's with mild overclocking :O .
As for the 300 dollar segment... apparently the 9900 GTS is going to compete with the HD 4870 ... and it's apparently going to cost a ton more than the HD 4870 .

Hmmmm, why would you doubt the same success for this card? Regardless of the price being $600 like everyone is complaining about people are still gonna buy it if it performs well. Lol Nvidia dig its own grave ha ha ha!
Where do you guys come up with thermal issues? It hasn't even come out yet.
Isn't it going to be 65nm too.

Lol Mr. Wizard its going to hit 80C no trouble. I don't think it will be that high with 65nm. My 8800 GTX with the 90nm core never even reached 80C on Stock cooling.

lol @sunny , i have a 8800GTX and it easly reach 80 C under load, not only my 8800GTX , i have seen many reviews and it get 80 or more at stress

Let's not forget, when the 8800 GTX was launched, it was the biggest, most power-hungry card ever. The first to require two power connectors. And it cost $600. The GTX 280 really isn't going to be that much of a departure.

lol @ the noob mostafaoraby007 raise your fan speed your case is probably too hot. Ha ha ha. The only time My GTX reached 80 was like in 3 way SLI.

Mike knows his stuff (and of course he does) . The 8800 GTX was a power hungry beast, but it still did make most people go 'Green with Envy' and the GTX 280 will probably be the same. However, I read in a few various sources that in the not too distant future (after the 280 GTX and 260 GTS are released), NV are releasing 55nm versions of the 280 GTX and 260 GTX. This should make the card a little more 'energy efficient' and allow for better overclocking.

Is 280 GTX the name of the core or card? And if it is the name of the card, why don't NV just stick with '9900' name scheme and change to a new scheme in the next gen? It will be a little less confusing for people.

@Naito: I'm not sure what the name is going to be. It looks like the chip has the codename 'GT200', the boards have the codenames 'GTX 280' and 'GTX 260', and the retail names of the boards will be 'GeForce 9900 GTX' and 'GeForce 9900 GTX'. That's the impression I've gotten, but it's all still just rumors at this point.

hey sunny , looks like its cold at your place , read any review around the net , the 8800GTX reaches 80 @ stress ,btw my case has a decent air flow , and its temp. is good

check this : http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=739&p=7

We'll just have to wait and see what really happens .
And 1 billion transistors at 65 nm process is going to get really hot... even at a mere 602Mhz core and 1296 Mhz shader clock .

Hey Mostafa,
I am assuming that in the reviews they tested the card straight out of the box with the standard fan speed at 60%. I always kept mine at 80%, it might get a little louder but its worth it. You should try it. Just use Rivatuner.

I just think its ridiculous when people(not you) buy cards and say it gets too hot so they return the card. When something as simple as a fan speed can be adjusted and it gets rid of the problem.

yea sure , the fan speed adjust is nessesary sometimes , but for me , the auto fan (default)is suffecient when you got a good air flow in your case

btw , i got 75 max