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Overall
9.5 (326 votes)

Performance
9.5 (319 votes)

Price
9.6 (318 votes)

Features
9.6 (296 votes)

Overclockability
9.5 (308 votes)

Silence
9.5 (299 votes)

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Mem: 1125Increase Memory Clock
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At A Glance
Manufacturer:ATi
Series:Radeon HD 3k
GPU:RV670
Release Date:2007-11-15
Interface:PCI-E 2.0 x16
Core Clock:775 MHz
Shader Clock:775 MHz
Memory Clock:1125 MHz (2250 DDR)
Memory Bandwidth:72 GB/sec
FLOPS:496 GFLOPS
Pixel Fill Rate:12400 MPixels/sec
Texture Fill Rate:12400 MTexels/sec
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56 Retail Cards Based On This Board Help About This Section
Price Name Core Mem
Camera PowerColor HD 3870 SCS3 512... 775 1126
Camera Club3D HD 3870 Passive Heat... 775 1126
Camera Sapphire Ultimate HD 3870 5... 775 1125
Camera PowerColor HD 3870 PCS 512M... 800 1170
Camera Gigabyte Radeon HD 3870 (Za... 775 1125
Camera GeCube Radeon HD 3870 X-Tur... 800 1125?
Camera GeCube Radeon HD 3870 775 1125?
Camera Diamond Radeon HD 3870 775 1200
Camera Club3D HD 3870 512MB 775 1126
Camera Sapphire HD 3870 512MB 775 1125
Camera PowerColor HD 3870 512MB GDDR4 775 1126
Camera HIS Radeon HD 3870 512MB GDDR4 775? 1125?
Camera Visiontek Radeon HD 3870 800 1170
Camera ASUS EAH3870/G/HTDI/512M 775 1125
Camera MSI RX3870-T2D512E 775 1126
Camera MSI RX3870-T2D512E-OC (V803) 800 1125
Camera Palit Radeon HD 3870 775 1126
Camera XpertVision Radeon HD 3870 775 1126
Camera Club3D HD 3870 Overclocked ... 800 1200
Camera Jetway Radeon HD 3870 775 1200
Camera Gigabyte Radeon HD 3870 OC ... 775? 1125?
Camera MSI RX3870-T2D512E-OC (V120) 800 1125
Camera HIS Radeon HD 3870 IceQ 3 775 1126
Camera Sapphire HD 3870 512MB 775? 1125?
Camera Sapphire Atomic Radeon HD 3870 825 1200
Camera HIS HD 3870 IceQ 3 Turbo 850 1190
Camera Diamond Extreme PC HD 3870 ... 820 1200
Camera Diamond Extreme PC HD 3870 ... 800 1150
Camera Diamond Extreme PC HD 3870 ... 850 1200
Apollo HD 3870 512MB GDDR4 775? 1125?
Camera Sapphire Toxic HD 3870 512MB 800 1152
Camera PowerColor HD 3870 PCS 512M... 775 900
Camera ASUS EAH3870 TOP/G/HTDI/512M 851 1140
Camera GeCube HD 3870 OC Edition X... 850 1125?
Camera Club3D HD 3870 512MB GDDR3 775 900
Camera Sapphire HD 3870 512MB Spec... 775? 1125?
Camera GeCube HD 3870 Dual Slot Fa... 775 900
Camera Gigabyte Radeon HD 3870 775 1125?
Camera Diamond Radeon HD 3870 1GB ... 825 900
Camera Diamond Radeon HD 3870 1GB ... 830 870
Camera Sapphire HD 3870 1GB Vapor ... 800 1100
Camera GeCube Radeon HD 3870 X-Tur... 800 900
Camera Sapphire HD 3870 512MB GDDR3 775? 1125?
Camera ASUS EAH3870/G/HTDI/512M (N... 775 1125
Camera HIS HD 3870 IceQ 3 512MB GDDR3 900 780
Camera Force3D Radeon HD 3870 512M... 775 900
Camera Force3D Radeon HD 3870 1GB 775 1200
Camera Gigabyte Radeon HD 3870 (Za... 775? 1125?
Camera XpertVision Radeon HD 3870 ... 775? 1125?
Camera Diamond Radeon HD 3870 OC 800 1125
Camera HIS Radeon HD 3870 IceQ 3 T... 810 1161
Palit Radeon HD 3870 512MB ... 777 950
Camera ASUS EAH3870/HTDI/512M (Non... 775 1125
Camera ASUS EAH3870 MAGIC/HTDI/512... 775 885
Camera Gainward Radeon HD 3870 512... 776 950
Camera PowerColor HD 3870 PCS 512M... 775 700
Details
Max Power Draw:105 W
Noise Level:Moderate
Framebuffer:512,1024 MB
Memory Type:GDDR4
Memory Bus Type:64x4 (256 bit)
DirectX Compliance:10.1
OpenGL Compliance:2.0
PS/VS Version:4.1/4.1
Process:55 nm
Shader Processors:320
Pipeline Layout:Super-scalar MADDx5
Texture Units:16
Raster Operators16
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70 Reviews Help About This Section
Radeon HD 3870 [reference card]
(enthusiast.hardocp.com)
Radeon HD 3870 [reference card]
(www.pcper.com)
Radeon HD 3870 [reference card]
(www.guru3d.com)
Radeon HD 3870 [reference card]
(www.techreport.com)
Radeon HD 3870 [reference card]
(firingsquad.com)
Radeon HD 3870 [reference card]
(www.bit-tech.net)
Radeon HD 3870 [reference card]
(www.anandtech.com)

(enthusiast.hardocp.com)
Radeon HD 3870 [reference card]
(www.bootdaily.com)
Radeon HD 3870 [reference card]
(www.techwarelabs.com)
Radeon HD 3870 [roundup]
(www.madshrimps.be)
Radeon HD 3870 [roundup]
(www.bootdaily.com)
Radeon HD 3870 [roundup]
(www.tbreak.com)
Radeon HD 3870 [roundup]
(www.nordichardware.com)
Radeon HD 3870 [reference card]
(www.legitreviews.com)
Radeon HD 3870 [roundup]
(techreport.com)
Radeon HD 3870 [roundup]
(www.hothardware.com)
ASUS EAH3870 TOP/G/HTDI/512M
(www.i4u.com)
ASUS EAH3870 TOP/G/HTDI/512M
(www.bigbruin.com)
ASUS EAH3870 TOP/G/HTDI/512M
(aphnetworks.com)
ASUS EAH3870 TOP/G/HTDI/512M
(www.hardwarecanucks.com)
ASUS EAH3870 TOP/G/HTDI/512M
(www.elitebastards.com)
ASUS EAH3870 TOP/G/HTDI/512M
(www.phoronix.com)
ASUS EAH3870 TOP/G/HTDI/512M
(www.xbitlabs.com)
ASUS EAH3870/G/HTDI/512M
(www.techspot.com)
ASUS EAH3870/G/HTDI/512M
(legionhardware.com)
ASUS EAH3870/G/HTDI/512M (Non-ref)
(www.bjorn3d.com)
Diamond Radeon HD 3870
(benchmarkreviews.com)
Diamond Radeon HD 3870 1GB GDDR3
(legitreviews.com)
Diamond Radeon HD 3870 1GB GDDR3
(www.thetechlounge.com)
GeCube Radeon HD 3870 X-Turbo III
(www.hartware.de)
Gigabyte Radeon HD 3870 (Zalman)
(www.virtual-hideout.net)
Gigabyte Radeon HD 3870 (Zalman)
(www.gamepyre.com)
Gigabyte Radeon HD 3870 (Zalman)
(www.neoseeker.com)
Gigabyte Radeon HD 3870 (Zalman)
(www.motherboards.org)
Gigabyte Radeon HD 3870 (Zalman)
(www.tweaktown.com)
Gigabyte Radeon HD 3870 (Zalman)
(www.sharkyextreme.com)
Gigabyte Radeon HD 3870 (Zalman)
(www.xbitlabs.com)
HIS HD 3870 IceQ 3 Turbo
(www.bjorn3d.com)
HIS HD 3870 IceQ 3 Turbo
(www.3dgameman.com)
HIS HD 3870 IceQ 3 Turbo
(www.techpowerup.com)
HIS HD 3870 IceQ 3 Turbo
(www.digit-life.com)
MSI RX3870-T2D512E-OC (V803)
(www.tweaktown.com)
MSI RX3870-T2D512E-OC (V803)
(www.hardwarelogic.com)
PowerColor HD 3870 SCS3 512MB GDDR4
(www.techpowerup.com)
Sapphire Atomic Radeon HD 3870
(www.techpowerup.com)
Sapphire Atomic Radeon HD 3870
(www.overclockersclub.com)
Sapphire Atomic Radeon HD 3870
(www.hexus.net)
Sapphire Atomic Radeon HD 3870
(www.elitebastards.com)
Sapphire Atomic Radeon HD 3870
(www.hothardware.com)
Sapphire Atomic Radeon HD 3870
(www.techpowerup.com)
Sapphire Atomic Radeon HD 3870
(www.bit-tech.net)
Sapphire Atomic Radeon HD 3870
(www.driverheaven.net)
Sapphire HD 3870 512MB
(www.bit-tech.net)
Sapphire HD 3870 512MB
(enthusiast.hardocp.com)
Sapphire HD 3870 512MB
(www.modders-inc.com)
Sapphire HD 3870 512MB
(www.overclockersclub.com)
Sapphire HD 3870 512MB
(www.trustedreviews.com)
Sapphire Toxic HD 3870 512MB
(www.altgamer.org)
Sapphire Toxic HD 3870 512MB
(www.pro-clockers.com)
Sapphire Toxic HD 3870 512MB
(www.modders-inc.com)
Sapphire Toxic HD 3870 512MB
(www.hothardware.com)
Sapphire Toxic HD 3870 512MB
(www.elitebastards.com)
Sapphire Toxic HD 3870 512MB
(www.bigbruin.com)
Sapphire Toxic HD 3870 512MB
(www.hardwarecanucks.com)
Sapphire Ultimate HD 3870 512MB
(www.bootdaily.com)
Sapphire Ultimate HD 3870 512MB
(www.aselabs.com)
Sapphire Ultimate HD 3870 512MB
(www.pro-clockers.com)
Visiontek Radeon HD 3870
(www.neoseeker.com)
Visiontek Radeon HD 3870
(www.amdzone.com)
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User Ratings Help About This Section
Overall
0 (0 votes)

Performance
0 (0 votes)

Price
0 (0 votes)

Features
0 (0 votes)

Overclockability
0 (0 votes)

Silence
0 (0 votes)

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At A Glance
Manufacturer:nVidia
Series:GeForce 9
GPU:G92
Release Date:2008-07-29
Interface:PCI-E 2.0 x16
Core Clock:600 MHz
Shader Clock:1500 MHz
Memory Clock:900 MHz (1800 DDR)
Memory Bandwidth:57.6 GB/sec
FLOPS:336 GFLOPS
Pixel Fill Rate:9600 MPixels/sec
Texture Fill Rate:33600 MTexels/sec
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Price Name Core Mem
Camera $83.99 MSI N9800GT-MD1G 550 900
Camera $89.99 BFG GeForce 9800 GT OC 512MB 625 900
Camera $92.99 Zotac GeForce 9800 GT ECO 550 900
Camera $94.99 Biostar GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 600 900
Camera $94.99 Zotac GeForce 9800 GT 550 900
Camera $99.99 BFG GeForce 9800 GT ThermoI... 600 900
Camera $99.99 Sparkle GeForce 9800 GT Low... 600 900
Camera $99.99 EVGA GeForce 9800 GT HDMI 550 900
Camera $99.99 Gigabyte GeForce 9800 GT HDMI 600 900
Camera $104.99 XFX GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 600 900
Camera $109.99 XFX GeForce 9800 GT 512MB (... 600 900
Camera $109.99 Sparkle Calibre 9800 GT 512MB 675 1000
Camera $109.99 ASUS EN9800GT/DI/512MD3 600 900
Camera $109.99 PNY GeForce 9800 GT 1GB 550 900
Camera $109.99 Zotac GeForce 9800 GT HDMI 1GB 550 900
Camera $114.99 MSI N9800GT-MD1G 550 900
Camera $119.99 EVGA GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 600 900
Camera $119.99 EVGA GeForce 9800 GT Superc... 650 950
Camera $129.99 EVGA GeForce 9800 GT HDMI 1GB 550 900
Camera $129.99 Gigabyte GeForce 9800 GT HDMI 740 900?
Camera $139.99 EVGA GeForce 9800 GT 1GB 600 900
Camera $139.99 BFG GeForce 9800 GT OC 1GB 625 900
Camera Sparkle GeForce 9800 GT Coo... 600 900
Camera Sparkle GeForce 9800 GT Coo... 600 900
Camera ECS GeForce 9800 GT AC Acce... 600? 900?
Camera ECS GeForce 9800 GT AC Acce... 600 900
Camera MSI N9800GT Zilent 660 950
Camera Rextech Rexian 9800 GT Blac... 600 900
Camera EVGA GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 600 900
Camera EVGA GeForce 9800 GT Superc... 650 950
Camera EVGA GeForce 9800 GT Akimbo... 600 900
Camera EVGA GeForce 9800 GT Akimbo... 600 900
Camera BFG GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 600 900
Camera inno3D GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 550 900
Camera inno3D GeForce 9800 GT 1GB 550 900
Camera XFX GeForce 9800 GT 512MB (... 600 900
Camera XFX GeForce 9800 GT 1GB 600 900
Camera Zotac GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 660 900
Camera Zotac GeForce 9800 GT AMP! ... 700 1000
Camera LeadTek WinFast PX9800 GT 600 900
Camera LeadTek WinFast PX9800 GT (... 600 900
Camera LeadTek WinFast PX9800 GT E... 680 900
Camera XpertVision GeForce 9800GT ... 600? 900?
Camera XpertVision GeForce 9800 GT... 650 950
Camera XpertVision GeForce 9800 GT 600? 900?
Camera Palit GeForce 9800 GT 600? 900?
Camera Palit GeForce 9800 GT Sonic 650 950
Camera Palit GeForce 9800 GT Super... 600? 900?
Camera Foxconn GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 620 910
Camera Foxconn GeForce 9800 GT OC ... 660 955
Camera Club3D GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 600 900
Zogis GeForce 9800 GT 600 900
Camera Sparkle GeForce 9800 GT 1GB 600 900
Camera Sparkle GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 600 900
Camera Sparkle GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 600 900
Camera Sparkle GeForce 9800 GT 256MB 600 700
Camera Gigabyte GeForce 9800 GT 51... 600 900
Camera Gigabyte GeForce 9800 GT 1GB 600? 900?
Camera POV GeForce 9800 GT 1GB 600 900
Camera POV GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 600 900
Forsa GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 600 900
Camera Foxconn GeForce 9800 GT 1GB 600 850
Camera Foxconn GeForce 9800 GT OC ... 650 900
Camera Foxconn GeForce 9800 GT OC ... 610 910
Camera Foxconn GeForce 9800 GT OC ... 660 970
Camera Gainward Bliss 9800 GT 512MB 600 900
Camera Gainward Bliss 9800 GT Gold... 650 950
Camera Galaxy GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 600? 900?
Camera Sparkle GeForce 9800 GT 1GB... 600 900
Camera Sparkle GeForce 9800 GT 256... 600 700
Camera Sparkle GeForce 9800 GT 512... 600 900
Camera Sparkle GeForce 9800 GT 512... 600 900
Camera MSI N9800GT-T2D512 (Heat pi... 600 900
Camera MSI N9800GT-T2D512 600 900
Camera MSI N9800GT-T2D512-OC (V146... 660 950
Camera MSI N9800GT-T2D512-OC (V117... 660 950
Camera MSI N9800GT-T2D512-OC (V117) 660 950
Camera MSI N9800GT-T2D512-OC (V146) 660 950
Camera MSI N9800GT-T2D1G-OC 660 900
Camera EVGA GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 600 900
Camera Chaintech GeForce 9800 GT 5... 600 900
Camera ASUS EN9800GT HybridPower/H... 600 900
Camera ASUS EN9800GT TOP/HTDP/512M 650 970
Camera ASUS EN9800GT Ultimate/HTDP... 725 1000
Camera inno3D iChiLL 9800 GT Accel... 700 1000
Camera inno3D iChiLL 9800 GT Zerot... 700 1000
PNY GeForce 9800 GT 600 900
Camera KFA2 GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 600 900
Camera ECS GeForce 9800 GT 600? 900?
Camera Evertop GeForce 9800 GT Kan... 600 900
Camera TwinTech GeForce 9800 GT XX... 650 1000
Camera TwinTech GeForce 9800 GT XT... 650 950
TwinTech GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 600 900
TwinTech GeForce 9800 GT 1GB 600 900
Camera Palit GeForce 9800 GT Super... 600 900
EVGA GeForce 9800 GT Akimbo... 600? 900?
Camera ASUS EN9800GT HybridPower/H... 600 900
EVGA GeForce 9800 GT 1GB Du... 600 900
Camera Jetway GeForce 9800 GT 1GB 600 900
Camera Jetway GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 600 900
Camera Jetway GeForce 9800 GT 1GB 600 900
Camera Jetway GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 600 900
Camera BFG GeForce 9800 GT OC+ 512MB 635 925
Camera EVGA GeForce 9800 GT Dual Slot 600 900
Camera PNY GeForce 9800 GT 1GB 600 900
Camera Club3D GeForce 9800 GT 600 900
Camera Gigabyte GeForce 9800 GT OC... 600? 900?
Camera Gigabyte GeForce 9800 GT OC... 600? 900?
Camera ASUS EN9800GT MATRIX/HTDI/512M 612 900
Camera Gigabyte GeForce 9800 GT 51... 600? 900?
Camera Zotac GeForce 9800 GT Synergy 600 900
Camera XFX GeForce 9800 GT XXX 670 975
Camera ASUS EN9800GT TOP/HTDP/512MD3 650 970
Camera XFX GeForce 9800 GT 600 900
Camera inno3D GeForce 9800 GT DHT ... 600 900
Camera inno3D GeForce 9800 GT DHT 1GB 600 900
Camera Zotac GeForce 9800 GT 1GB 660 900
Camera ASUS EN9800GT/HTDP/512MD3 600 900
Camera BFG GeForce 9800 GT OC2 The... 650 963
Camera BFG GeForce 9800 GT OCX The... 680 1000
Camera inno3D GeForce 9800 GT OC 5... 650 950
Camera inno3D GeForce 9800 GT OC 1GB 650 950
Camera Club3D GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 600 900
Zogis GeForce 9800 GT 1GB 600 900
Camera Galaxy GeForce 9800 GT 1GB 600? 900?
Camera MSI N9800GT-T2D512-OC V2 660 950
Camera Gigabyte GeForce 9800 GT OC... 600? 900?
Camera Gigabyte GeForce 9800 GT OC... 600? 900?
Camera ASUS EN9800GT/HTDP/1GD3/A 600 900
Camera inno3D GeForce 9800 GT HDMI... 600 900
Camera inno3D GeForce 9800 GT HDMI 600 900
Camera Jetway GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 600 900
Camera ELSA Gladiac 9800 GT 650 1000
Camera ELSA Gladiac 9800 GT Silver... 630 1000
Camera ELSA Gladiac 9800 GT Power ... 630 1000
Camera BFG GeForce 9800 GT 1GB Eco... 550 900
Camera PNY GeForce 9800 GT Energy ... 550 900
Camera Gigabyte GeForce 9800 GT OC... 740 900
Camera BFG 9800 GT EcoIntelligence... 550 900
Details
Max Power Draw:105 W
Noise Level:Moderate
Framebuffer:256,512,1024 MB
Memory Type:GDDR3
Memory Bus Type:64x4 (256 bit)
DirectX Compliance:10.0
OpenGL Compliance:2.1
PS/VS Version:4.0/4.0
Process:65 nm
Shader Processors:112 (128)
Pipeline Layout:Scalar MADD+MUL
Texture Units:56 (64)
Raster Operators16
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39 Reviews Help About This Section
GeForce 9800 GT [roundup]
(www.hardwarecanucks.com)
GeForce 9800 GT [roundup]
(www.digit-life.com)
ASUS EN9800GT HybridPower/HTDI/512M
(www.motherboards.org)
ASUS EN9800GT HybridPower/HTDI/512M
(www.thinkcomputers.org)
ASUS EN9800GT HybridPower/HTDI/512M
(www.overclock3d.net)
ASUS EN9800GT HybridPower/HTDI/512M
(legionhardware.com)
ASUS EN9800GT MATRIX/HTDI/512M
(www.rbmods.com)
ASUS EN9800GT MATRIX/HTDI/512M
(www.insidehw.com)
ASUS EN9800GT MATRIX/HTDI/512M
(techgage.com)
ASUS EN9800GT MATRIX/HTDI/512M
(www.pcper.com)
ASUS EN9800GT MATRIX/HTDI/512M
(hothardware.com)
BFG GeForce 9800 GT OC 512MB
(www.hexus.net)
BFG GeForce 9800 GT ThermoIntel Passive
(www.hardwarecanucks.com)
Galaxy GeForce 9800 GT 1GB
(www.guru3d.com)
Gigabyte GeForce 9800 GT 512MB
(www.tweaktown.com)
Gigabyte GeForce 9800 GT 512MB
(www.motherboards.org)
Gigabyte GeForce 9800 GT 512MB
(aphnetworks.com)
Gigabyte GeForce 9800 GT 512MB
(www.overclockersclub.com)
Gigabyte GeForce 9800 GT 512MB
(www.bjorn3d.com)
Gigabyte GeForce 9800 GT 512MB
(www.techwarelabs.com)
inno3D iChiLL 9800 GT Accelero Twin Turbo
(www.cdrinfo.com)
inno3D iChiLL 9800 GT Accelero Twin Turbo
(www.guru3d.com)
inno3D iChiLL 9800 GT Accelero Twin Turbo
(www.hexus.net)
MSI N9800GT-T2D512-OC (V146 Heat pipe)
(www.tweaktown.com)
MSI N9800GT-T2D512-OC (V146 Heat pipe)
(www.overclockersclub.com)
MSI N9800GT-T2D512-OC (V146 Heat pipe)
(www.legitreviews.com)
MSI N9800GT-T2D512-OC (V146 Heat pipe)
(www.phoronix.com)
MSI N9800GT-T2D512-OC (V146)
(www.ultimatehardware.net)
Palit GeForce 9800 GT Sonic
(www.tweaktown.com)
Palit GeForce 9800 GT Super 1GB
(www.hardwaresecrets.com)
Palit GeForce 9800 GT Super 1GB
(benchmarkreviews.com)
Palit GeForce 9800 GT Super 1GB
(www.motherboards.org)
XFX GeForce 9800 GT 512MB
(www.overclockersclub.com)
XFX GeForce 9800 GT 512MB
(www.xsreviews.co.uk)
XFX GeForce 9800 GT XXX
(www.bit-tech.net)
Zotac GeForce 9800 GT AMP! 512MB
(www.techpowerup.com)
Zotac GeForce 9800 GT AMP! 512MB
(www.tbreak.com)
Zotac GeForce 9800 GT AMP! 512MB
(www.thetechlounge.com)
Zotac GeForce 9800 GT AMP! 512MB
(www.virtual-hideout.net)
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