8800 ultra vs 250 GTS 1GB

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well its silly that they didn't send you that in the first
place

considering they magically found another one...

[maleficarus™]

Originally Posted by Vhlad

Hi GPUReview.

I have been comparing the 8800 ultra and the GTS 250:
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards....515&card2=606#

I was hoping to hear your opinion on the performance of these cards.

I hold the opinion that the 8800 ultra provides superior performance at 1920x1200 with AA/AF enabled. This is due to the higher memory bandwidth, and the higher pixel fill rate.

This opinion is also supported with benchmarks:

Sum of fps benchmarks at 1920x1200 with 4AA + high quality:
8800 ultra = 252.60
GTS 250 1GB = 247.70
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/g...1200,1199.html

When AA is increased further, so is the difference. Sum of fps benchmarks at 1920x1200 with 8AA + high quality:
8800 ultra = 121.70
GTS 250 1GB = 110.30
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/g...1200,1200.html

Looking at specific games instead of an average of all games, we see:
Fallout 3 at 1920x1200 8 AA 15AF very high quality:
8800 ultra = 44.90
GTS 250 1GB = 38.10 FPS
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/g...ut-3,1173.html

Left for dead at 1920x1200 8AA 16AF very high quality:
8800 ultra = 48.70
GTS 250 1GB = 43.80
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/g...Dead,1184.html

Strictly speaking, if a 8800 ultra replacement was required to be of equal or better performance, would the GTS 250 1GB suffice? Based on these benchmarks, and based on the superior memory bandwidth & pixel fill rates of the ultra, I believe that a GTX 260 would be required to meet the "equal or better" performance standard. What do you think?

Looking at your links there is something you have to understand right now. The human eye canot tell the difference between 252.60 fps and 247.70 fps nor can it tell the difference between 121.70 fps and 110.30 fps. This is not possible. The human eye can not see anything past 60 fps, this is why 60 frames per second has always been the industry standard ever since quake2 went online back in 1996. So the scores/links you are showing have no real backbone to support any real agument. Finally looking at the lower scores, they are so close that in the PC gaming industry they call that more or less equal. Anything 1% to 5% is equal.

This isn't like taking a car to the race track and one car can do the 1/4 mile in 10 seconds while the other car does it in 7 seconds and this is a big difference.

Having said that the GTS 250 is the better card for a few reasons. It is clocked using faster freqs, draws much less power from your PSU which by itsself should stand out as a better buy. For you to take older tech by judging it on frames that your eye will not ever actually see or notice was a bad, silly move my young guru jedi....

[Vhlad]

Originally Posted by maleficarus™

Looking at your links there is something you have to understand right now. The human eye canot tell the difference between 252.60 fps and 247.70 fps nor can it tell the difference between 121.70 fps and 110.30 fps. This is not possible. The human eye can not see anything past 60 fps, this is why 60 frames per second has always been the industry standard ever since quake2 went online back in 1996. So the scores/links you are showing have no real backbone to support any real agument. Finally looking at the lower scores, they are so close that in the PC gaming industry they call that more or less equal. Anything 1% to 5% is equal.

This isn't like taking a car to the race track and one car can do the 1/4 mile in 10 seconds while the other car does it in 7 seconds and this is a big difference.

Having said that the GTS 250 is the better card for a few reasons. It is clocked using faster freqs, draws much less power from your PSU which by itsself should stand out as a better buy. For you to take older tech by judging it on frames that your eye will not ever actually see or notice was a bad, silly move my young guru jedi....

If you consider anything within 1% to 5% to be equal, then you would have no choice but to admit the GTS 250 1GB is not equal to the 8800 ultra at my settings. The two lower benchmarks from the post you quoted reveal: the 8800 ultra performs 17.8% better in Fallout 3, and 11.2% better in Left for Dead. Not only is that a substantially greater difference than 1% to 5%, but those results are also below 60 FPS (i.e. very meaningful). And, again, those benches are for the 1GB version of the GTS 250, whereas I was sent the 512mb version.

I try to explain my position further in subsequent posts. i.e. 8800 ultra SLI performs up to 25% better than GTS 250 1GB SLI. Thanks for taking the time to reply. If you're curious, in addition to the OP you should read the rest of my replies in this thread. There's also a post here describing the final resolution to the matter: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...tml#post306862

PS. The ultra has 47.3% higher memory bandwidth than the GTS 250. That's why it performs better at higher resolutions with AA.

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