x1950XT vs 7950GT

[kipps]

It's weird because I could get a x1950XT for cheaper than the 7950GT but yet I think the x1950XT is better... I would like to know which card should I buy as my budget is growing fast and because I cancelled my order for my x1950pro cause it was on backorder. :P

My budget $200 to $350.
Thank you Mike and Track especially :P My friend Thomas and I are now video card freaks and can't choose a card because we always want more :P

[Track]

The X1950XT is cheaper.
The X1950XT is much better.

The X1950XT is a good choice if u cant wait for DX10.

[kipps]

The X1950XT is cheaper.
The X1950XT is much better.

The X1950XT is a good choice if u cant wait for DX10.

do you have any kind of instant messenger Track? Im saying this because I think I have more than just this question to ask you :P So If you dont have much to do right now maybe you can help me out :P

carlkipps@hotmail.com

[David]

Dude if your budget is up to 350$ then buy an 8800gts 32mb when they come out in a week or two. If ya worried that your cpu might bottle neck it dont my e6400 is said to be a bottleneck but funny i dont see any slowdown.(And Core 2 duo are prices are set to drop in march)

[Track]

Dude if your budget is up to 350$ then buy an 8800gts 32mb when they come out in a week or two. If ya worried that your cpu might bottle neck it dont my e6400 is said to be a bottleneck but funny i dont see any slowdown.(And Core 2 duo are prices are set to drop in march)

David, did u buy the Zalman CNPS 9500/9700 like i told u?

[Mike]

I agree that it's probably a good time to wait. Or at least buy the card from somewhere that makes it relatively painless to return it if something much better comes out in the next couple of weeks. Now is not the time to be investing $300+ in an ATi card.

[Track]

I agree that it's probably a good time to wait. Or at least buy the card from somewhere that makes it relatively painless to return it if something much better comes out in the next couple of weeks. Now is not the time to be investing $300+ in an ATi card.

eVGA 8800 GTS 640MB - 480$ (Canadian)

[David]

David, did u buy the Zalman CNPS 9500/9700 like i told u?
No i'm using the step up program to get an 8900gts when they come out and i dont wanna void my warranty.

eVGA 8800 GTS 640MB - 480$ (Canadian)
I n february prices should go down with the release of the R600 and the G81 and up.

[Track]

No i'm using the step up program to get an 8900gts when they come out and i dont wanna void my warranty.

The 9500 is for the CPU.

The 8900 wont be out in 3 months.

[Mike]

The 8900 wont be out in 3 months.

You don't know this.

[Track]

You don't know this.

Of course not, but im guessing so. No x9xx card has been released 3 months after an x8xx card. The closest one was the X1900 wich was 5 months.

[Mike]

Of course not, but im guessing so. No x9xx card has been released 3 months after an x8xx card. The closest one was the X1900 wich was 5 months.

The 7900GTX 512 came out shortly after the x1800xt. The 7900gtx came out shortly after the x1900xt. So why wouldn't you expect the 8900gtx to come out immediately after R600?

Bad guess.

[Track]

The 7900GTX 512 came out shortly after the x1800xt. The 7900gtx came out shortly after the x1900xt. So why wouldn't you expect the 8900gtx to come out immediately after R600?

Bad guess.

The 7900 GTX came out 2 months after the X1900 because the 7800 GTX 512 had been out for 5 months. Im talking about cards from the same company.

The X2800 will be released 5 months after the 8800, so it would be possible for the 8900 to be out 4 months after the X2800 (just like with the X1900, wich was released 4 months after the 7800 GTX 512).

Believe me, the 8900 GTX being released before March would make my year.

[Mike]

The 7900 GTX came out 2 months after the X1900 because the 7800 GTX 512 had been out for 5 months. Im talking about cards from the same company.

The X2800 will be released 5 months after the 8800, so it would be possible for the 8900 to be out 4 months after the X2800 (just like with the X1900, wich was released 4 months after the 7800 GTX 512).

Believe me, the 8900 GTX being released before March would make my year.

The 7900 GTX came out a little over 1 month after the x1900. At that point the 7800 GTX 512 had been out for 4 months, not 5.

It's possible for the 8900 to come out tomorrow. You have absolutely no idea.

The X1900 was released 2 months after the 7800 gtx 512, not 4.

March is a little over a month away. Even if R600 comes out at the very end of the month, if the 8900gtx came out a month later, that would still be approximately 3 months from now.

Stop making statements you can't back up.

[Track]

Alright cool. Sorry abt the dates.. i wasnt here at the time.

So the 7800 GTX 512 was released 1 month after the X1800.

So the 8800 GTX 1024 or the 8900 GTX could be released 1 month after the R600, wich will be at the very least the begging of April.

Since David bought his card over a month ago, he wont be able to buy the 8900, unfourtunetely.

[Mike]

Alright cool. Sorry abt the dates.. i wasnt here at the time.

So the 7800 GTX 512 was released 1 month after the X1800.

So the 8800 GTX 1024 or the 8900 GTX could be released 1 month after the R600, wich will be at the very least the begging of April.

Since David bought his card over a month ago, he wont be able to buy the 8900, unfourtunetely.

Yeah mid-april seems likely. But it's just a guess...

Note that I do have release dates for most cards on their card pages...makes thinking about these things a lot easier when you can see the actual date it happened instead of just trying to remember.

[David]

The 8900 wont be out in 3 months.
Nov 8 to Feb 4 is my trade up time and I keep hearing that the 8900's will be release at The beginning of February. So I'm hoping and praying to god that it gets released The 3rd.

If i'm wrong i wont care since the 8800 will drop significantly and buy another one and a 650i sli mobo for 100$(Which i will buy forom my friend when he gets his knew RD600 and R600's in crossfire) It's in good condition So either way i win. :D

[Track]

Yeah mid-april seems likely. But it's just a guess...

Note that I do have release dates for most cards on their card pages...makes thinking about these things a lot easier when you can see the actual date it happened instead of just trying to remember.

Yeh, this site is pretty usefull.... I guess.

[Track]

Nov 8 to Feb 4 is my trade up time and I keep hearing that the 8900's will be release at The beginning of February. So I'm hoping and praying to god that it gets released The 3rd.

If i'm wrong i wont care since the 8800 will drop significantly and buy another one and a 650i sli mobo for 100$(Which i will buy forom my friend when he gets his knew RD600 and R600's in crossfire) It's in good condition So either way i win. :D

Just make sure the 650i SLi motherboard supports SLi with BOTH slots at x16, and not x8, because the 8800s do not like x8.

[David]

Just make sure the 650i SLi motherboard supports SLi with BOTH slots at x16, and not x8, because the 8800s do not like x8.
Eh x8 is not really problem for me my cpu is.(Thinking about upgrading to the e6650 when it gets released and best off its gonna be the same price as my current one at luanch!)

[Track]

Eh x8 is not really problem for me my cpu is.(Thinking about upgrading to the e6650 when it gets released and best off its gonna be the same price as my current one at luanch!)

Youre going to upgrade from an E6400 to an E6650?

You know they are the exact same thing right? And that they can be overclocked to the exact same clock speed?

Its like buying the X1900XTX over the X1900XT - completely insane.

[kipps]

Ok so I just wait for now ? hahaha

[aliquidparadigm]

Yeah, at the very least you should wait until the next generation is out so the prices for the current generation that you're looking at will be lower. If you really don't care about the money or the performance, then go ahead and buy whatever... but you probably wouldn't be here if you didn't care. (c:

If you're an ATi fanboy, wait; if you don't care about brand, just grab an 8800 card.

[David]

Youre going to upgrade from an E6400 to an E6650?

You know they are the exact same thing right? And that they can be overclocked to the exact same clock speed?

Nope the E6400 is 2.13ghz, 1066mhz bus, and a 2mb shared cache
But the E6650(When it comes out in the summer) Comes with 2.4ghz, 1333 bus, and an 8mb cache for the same price as the current e6400. And i dont wanna oc when i dont need to.

[Track]

Nope the E6400 is 2.13ghz, 1066mhz bus, and a 2mb shared cache
But the E6650(When it comes out in the summer) Comes with 2.4ghz, 1333 bus, and an 8mb cache for the same price as the current e6400. And i dont wanna oc when i dont need to.

Oh boy.. When someone says "I dont wanna OC" Thats when u know theres a problem.

Ill start off by saying that ANY Core 2 Duo @ 2.13Ghz is the same as @ 2.4Ghz. The difference is LESS than 3 frames in 1024x768. With the 8800 GTS it will be 1 FPS or less.

Secondly, the FSB is just a gimic. Its like buying an overclocked graphics card - ur paying for THEM to overclock it for u when u can do it in 1 minute, AND most importantly they can ALL overclock to the EXACT same speed, so them overclocking the FSB to 1333Mhz is completely worthless.

Thirdly, The E6650 does NOT have 8 MB. It has 4MB just like the E6600.
The ONLY thing the E6650 has over the E6600 is the FSB, wich we have already claimed is worthless.

Fourthly, and most importantly - The E6650 is WORSE than the E6600. The E6650 has an 8x multiplier, so its just like the E6400. Not to mention the E6650 is only 2.33Ghz and the E6600 is 2.4Ghz.


So they are actually selling u a WORSE CPU for more.. wow.



Now the E4400 is where its at. It costs 130$ and if u overclock the FSB to 1066Mhz u get an E6700 for just 130$. It has 2MB of cache, but that dosent matter much becuse if u overclock the FSB to 1333Mhz it will already be more powerfull than the X6800 in EVERYTHING.

[Track]

Ok so I just wait for now ? hahaha

The only reason to wait is for the X2800, wich will be released in over a month.

And by then, the price of the 8800 GTS will have gotten to where u want it - 400$, so u will buy the 8800 GTS anyway.

So its best to buy it now for 480$.

[Mike]

Oh boy.. When someone says "I dont wanna OC" Thats when u know theres a problem.

Ill start off by saying that ANY Core 2 Duo @ 2.13Ghz is the same as @ 2.4Ghz. The difference is LESS than 3 frames in 1024x768. With the 8800 GTS it will be 1 FPS or less.

Secondly, the FSB is just a gimic. Its like buying an overclocked graphics card - ur paying for THEM to overclock it for u when u can do it in 1 minute, AND most importantly they can ALL overclock to the EXACT same speed, so them overclocking the FSB to 1333Mhz is completely worthless.

Thirdly, The E6650 does NOT have 8 MB. It has 4MB just like the E6600.
The ONLY thing the E6650 has over the E6600 is the FSB, wich we have already claimed is worthless.

Fourthly, and most importantly - The E6650 is WORSE than the E6600. The E6650 has an 8x multiplier, so its just like the E6400. Not to mention the E6650 is only 2.33Ghz and the E6600 is 2.4Ghz.


So they are actually selling u a WORSE CPU for more.. wow.



Now the E4400 is where its at. It costs 130$ and if u overclock the FSB to 1066Mhz u get an E6700 for just 130$. It has 2MB of cache, but that dosent matter much becuse if u overclock the FSB to 1333Mhz it will already be more powerfull than the X6800 in EVERYTHING.

How many Core2 Duo's have you personally overclocked?

And, once again, not everyone on the face of the planet is dying to overclock their cpu, most people buy them, and just leave them at stock speed.

[Track]

How many Core2 Duo's have you personally overclocked?

And, once again, not everyone on the face of the planet is dying to overclock their cpu, most people buy them, and just leave them at stock speed.

Thats why im here to help them along :D

How many 7900 GSs have u?

[kipps]

Lets speculate now.

What will the 8800gts 320mb version be like ?

texture fill rate ?
pixel fill rate ?
shader operations?

Ive been saving money for quite a while now :P I need to know!

[Track]

Lets speculate now.

What will the 8800gts 320mb version be like ?

texture fill rate ?
pixel fill rate ?
shader operations?

Ive been saving money for quite a while now :P I need to know!

Only thing that is different is the RAM. 320MB instead of 640MB.

[David]

How many Core2 Duo's have you personally overclocked?

And, once again, not everyone on the face of the planet is dying to overclock their cpu, most people buy them, and just leave them at stock speed.
Thx mike for standing up for me and Track i was wrong the e6650 will still have the same fsb but the cache will be bigger. Btw The e4400 is nice i may consider that for my freinds pc and i'll probably oc it to see how high it can go.

[Track]

Thx mike for standing up for me and Track i was wrong the e6650 will still have the same fsb but the cache will be bigger. Btw The e4400 is nice i may consider that for my freinds pc and i'll probably oc it to see how high it can go.

You dont need anyone to stand up for u. I'm not attacking u am i? :(

The difference beetween the E6650 and the E6400 is about 2% in games.

Thats all ill say.

If u dont want the E6400, it will save me 500$ :D


Oh, and BTW.. 3DFx is probably dead now, much like Westwood (another company that was bought by a bigger one).

[David]

You dont need anyone to stand up for u. I'm not attacking u am i? :(

Nah Just Track sometimes you are pushy no offense i am like that too with the Xbox360 to sony fanboys(Bastards tell me that the xbox 360 is a weak piece of shit at bestbuy those motherfucker's got me kicked out, Shit they'll never be alive again when i find them) And the funny part is i dont even own an Xbox 360 my cuz does and his uncle owns the ps3! When i see them side to side no comparison the 360 wins.


The difference beetween the E6650 and the E6400 is about 2% in games.
I know that just i might need the extra cache not for games but large documents or when i host a lan match on my pc. You think my e6400 can support 4 players smoothly on Bf2? Not if i play too it wont.



If u dont want the E6400, it will save me 500$ :D

What does that mean? Save you money? Ya got some friends in intel that i dont know about?


Oh, and BTW.. 3DFx is probably dead now, much like Westwood (another company that was bought by a bigger one).
There bodies may be gone but their soul lives on in the 8-series(How i know i aint gonna say you just gotta trust me on that:D ) Btw track did you used to play Red alert 2?

[Track]

Nah Just Track sometimes you are pushy no offense

Ah, well im sorry. I guess I just believe in what I say ;) No offence, obisouly.


I know that just i might need the extra cache not for games but large documents or when i host a lan match on my pc. You think my e6400 can support 4 players smoothly on Bf2? Not if i play too it wont.

The CPU has nothing to do with online play. The CPU isnt going to work any harder in Online play. The ONLY thing u need for HOSTING an online game is a fast upload connection. Thats it.

Also, u will NOT get any more than a 5% increase in ANYTHING. That 4MB of cache is not very important and if u overclock 100Mhz above the E6650 ur performance will be higher with the 2MB still.



What does that mean? Save you money? Ya got some friends in intel that i dont know about?

I mean that if u send me the CPU ill be saving 500$ buying it.


There bodies may be gone but their soul lives on in the 8-series(How i know i aint gonna say you just gotta trust me on that:D ) Btw track did you used to play Red alert 2?

Red Alert 2 is BGE (Best Game Ever). I play it, and the expansion pack every year or more, with skirmishes every week or so on the weekend. RTSs have endless replay value.

You remmembered to play Final Fantasy VII, right? If theres one thing u do in ur entire life time, it better be to play that game.

[David]

Ah, well im sorry. I guess I just believe in what I say ;) No offence, obisouly. Same here(Stupid sony fanboys) We all got opinions and we dont want anyone forcing theres on ours. Right Track?(Seriously tho how stupid can someone be?)




The CPU has nothing to do with online play. The CPU isnt going to work any harder in Online play. The ONLY thing u need for HOSTING an online game is a fast upload connection. Thats it.
Dude they are right next to me! :lol:


Also, u will NOT get any more than a 5% increase in ANYTHING. That 4MB of cache is not very important and if u overclock 100Mhz above the E6650 ur performance will be higher with the 2MB still. I know that just wanna
Also get the virtualization tech that it supports.(For running 2 versions of xp at the same time so me and my freind could play bf2 from the same pc!:D )




I mean that if u send me the CPU ill be saving 500$ buying it.Lol it costs 500$ in israel?



Red Alert 2 is BGE (Best Game Ever). I play it, and the expansion pack every year or more, with skirmishes every week or so on the weekend. RTSs have endless replay value. Yep! My brother still loves that game! Only that sucked was the cheesy Cut scenes right? And was'nt there supposed to be another expansion pack for it called Red Alert Red Dawn?(I think thats the name) Damn man Track i had a flashback! When you play is your name Tracker in RA:2?


You remmembered to play Final Fantasy VII, right? If theres one thing u do in ur entire life time, it better be to play that game.
Yes i did play it but sadly i never finished it.(Dont laugh i just got frustrated at one part and just said screw it) Well i'm gonna get it form ym bro and try to play it again!(With cheats!)

[Track]

Same here(Stupid sony fanboys) We all got opinions and we dont want anyone forcing theres on ours. Right Track?(Seriously tho how stupid can someone be?)

Actually i believe in forcing ur opinions on others. As long as they are right.




Dude they are right next to me! :lol:

....................the CPUs? :confused:



I know that just wanna
Also get the virtualization tech that it supports.(For running 2 versions of xp at the same time so me and my freind could play bf2 from the same pc!)


Right.. I also heard that if u have buy an Intel CPU above 6600, not 6400, thats too low.. they give u a sack of magic beans.. and ur breath never smells!!


Lol it costs 500$ in israel?

NO.. Maybe... Yes.

But im moving to the US! :D
That is if Bush isnt there.. im afraid of him. I heard he can lock u in prison for nothing. :eek:



Yep! My brother still loves that game! Only that sucked was the cheesy Cut scenes right? And was'nt there supposed to be another expansion pack for it called Red Alert Red Dawn?(I think thats the name) Damn man Track i had a flashback! When you play is your name Tracker in RA:2?

I dont have the legal version. I can get it but i like the cracked version - its where the memories are.
I cant play online because of said legality issue.
I also have never seen the cut scenes for the same reason.

[David]

....................the CPUs? :confused:
No my Buddies(On sniper and knife rounds i own!)



Right.. I also heard that if u have buy an Intel CPU above 6600, not 6400, thats too low.. they give u a sack of magic beans.. and ur breath never smells!!
I wish!


But im moving to the US! :D
That is if Bush isnt there.. im afraid of him. I heard he can lock u in prison for nothing. :eek: I hope ya do! Kinda but if ya know what keywords to say then ya you gonna be ok. Praise Bush.(Where ya gonna move to? I say Move right nextdoor to Mike so you can absorb all his gpu knowledge:lol:)



I dont have the legal version. I can get it but i like the cracked version - its where the memories are.
I cant play online because of said legality issue.
I also have never seen the cut scenes for the same reason.
Sorry man there are lot of people online with a name like yours or similair. Oh and you lucky for not seing the cutscenes.

[Track]

I hope ya do! Kinda but if ya know what keywords to say then ya you gonna be ok. Praise Bush.(Where ya gonna move to? I say Move right nextdoor to Mike so you can absorb all his gpu knowledge:lol:)


No, i think ill move back to Columbia, where I lived before. Its an amazing place. Where do u live?

[Mike]

Thats why im here to help them along :D

How many 7900 GSs have u?

Today? None.

But I suppose I could pick up one of the 3 7900 GS's I have sitting on my shelf and overclock them...whenever I get tired of playing with the 8800GTXs that is.

:rolleyes:

[David]

No, i think ill move back to Columbia, where I lived before. Its an amazing place. Where do u live?
I'm from New York!