PNY GeForce 9800GT 1GB GDDR3 PCI-E --OR-- Galaxy NGeForce 9500GT 1GB DDR2 PCI-E

[heretician]

Ended up getting a 350W (Black Widow PC Gaming) Power Supply & the PNY GeForce 9800 GTX+ card, still having other issues atm!

This is actually a hard one for me, mainly because I a only looking at the BestBuy results although please read through the specifications that BestBuy lists before your one-liner responses, if you are not dedicated enough of a member of this forum to respond in a decent amount of detail as to why one is better than the other; then do not bother posting. I am not trying to be mean, it just that is is going to be mid-day tomorrow when I make this choice and I hope I will have atleast on good reply by then. The best replier will get... a cookie.. and my old X1650 if they want it lol =p Just pay me like $5 shipping of course!

ANYWAY; on to the specs I have learned thus far

PNY - NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT 1GB GDDR3 PCI Express Graphics Card

#
Warranty Terms - Parts
3 years (2 additional years with registration)
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Warranty Terms - Labor
3 years (2 additional years with registration)
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Gaming Series
Yes
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Type of Video Card
Graphics
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Video Memory
1GB
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Interface Slot Type
PCI Express x16
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Type of Processor
NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT
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Number of Processors
1
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Clock Speed of Video Memory (RAMDAC)
Dual RAMDACs at 400MHz
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Maximum 2D Resolution (at 32-bit color)
Up to 2048 x 1536
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Maximum 3D Resolution (at 32-bit color)
Up to 2048 x 1536
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Supports MPEG-1, 2
Yes
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TV-Out
Yes
#
DVD Decoding
Yes
#
S-Video Output
Yes
#
Software Included
NVIDIA Forceware drivers
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Additional System Requirements
400W or greater power supply

Customer Review: 4.1


Galaxy - NVIDIA GeForce 9500GT 1GB DDR2 PCI Express Graphics Card

#
Warranty Terms - Parts
3 years (2 additional years with registration)
#
Warranty Terms - Labor
3 years (2 additional years with registration)
#
Gaming Series
Yes
#
Type of Video Card
Graphics
#
Video Memory
1GB
#
Interface Slot Type
PCI Express x16
#
Type of Processor
NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT
#
Number of Processors
1
#
Clock Speed of Video Memory (RAMDAC)
Dual RAMDACs at 400MHz
#
Maximum 2D Resolution (at 32-bit color)
Up to 2048 x 1536
#
Maximum 3D Resolution (at 32-bit color)
Up to 2048 x 1536
#
Supports MPEG-1, 2
Yes
#
TV-Out
Yes
#
DVD Decoding
Yes
#
S-Video Output
Yes
#
Software Included
NVIDIA Forceware drivers





Final Thoughts
The PNY is $10 more and it boggles me why, they seem the same other than the fact that it requires a 400W Power Supply, which I dont even know if I have lol...

Also, another reason why it may cause $10 more is this:
The Galaxy 9500GT which is $10 less has:
1GB DDR2
The PNY 9800GT which is $10 more has:
1GB GDDR3

[u]ALSO:
Why does the 9500GT which is $10 less have:
Video Format: TV, HDTV
What is this? Can the 9800GT not be used as a TV/HDTV if I had the right signal cable?



What I ask of the faithful, plain out awesome responders:
Answer those last few questions, provide a response why one if better than the other.. I do not want posts that just say HAY MAN 9800GT SUX U NED TO GET A 9500GT

Please :( Lol..

Anyway thank you, I am leaving at between 3 and 5 to go buy one of these suckers, who knows I may even buy a ATI HD, I mean atleast those things say HD on them and the GeForces dont.... Speaking of which, is those cards considered "HD" ?

Thanks,
Nick
(Serious about the X1650 if someone posts in time though heh, i wont need it anymore)

[Radiator]

The 9800 GT is SEVERAL TIMES more powerful than the 9500 GT .
The amount of vRAM doesn't matter much .. the 9500 GT has a far slower GPU and the RAM is DDR2 = runs at a low clock + it will never utilize even half of the amount of vRAM .
Actually 1GB of vRAM on that 9800 GT is a waste too , so if a 512MB version of it is cheaper then get that .
Now , where is my cookie ?

[ultima]

ya this isn't even a contest

you'd need like FOUR 9500 gt's to make up one 9800 gt

this is like comparing a chev cobalt to a ferrari

[-RK]

Ok, you want a technical description? Get ready...

First, most new cards - nvidia and ATI - can decode HD videos easily, but the HD3xxx, HD4xxx, and HD5xxx series do have better sound capabilities because they've got onboard sound chips. IF you go for an ATI card I'd recommend the HD4770, HD4670, or HD5750. The 4670 is significantly more powerful than the 9500gt, the 4770 is slightly more powerful than the 9800gt, and the 5750 is slightly more powerful than any of them. They're all good cards so pick the one that fits your price point if you go for ATI.


An overview of the specifications is in order if you want a detailed explanation. Take a look at this page, it's a direct comparison of the specifications of the two cards:

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=575&card2=574


You'll notice that the clock speeds aren't really too different from one another right away. That's misleading though. If you scroll down further you'll notice a few more specs. Firstly (and most importantly) look at "shader processors". You'll notice that the 9800GT has 112 of them whereas the 9500 has only 32. These are what perform the actual calculations on the rendered scene. Each of them is performing calculations at the "shader clock" speed. Having 112 means that it has 3.5 times the raw processing power at the same clock speed and the 9800gt is running them at 100mhz faster. That alone causes an incredible performance difference between the two cards.


Next, you'll see TMUs and ROPs. These run at the GPU's core clock speed and handle the output of the frame. Think of them like the bus between a CPU and your system RAM.

TMU stands for Texture Mapping Unit. You can probably guess what THAT means. A TMU is what places, scales, rotates, and warps textures in a 3d scene. The more there are is the faster that the textures can be applied.

And this short article explains what ROPs are:

http://www.gpureview.com/raster-operator-article-362.html

Simplified? ROPs handle the last processing elements on a texture or image like AntiAliasing. The 9800 has 16, the 9500 has 8.


Also, as mentioned previously, the 9800 uses GDDR3 at a higher clock speed as well as having a 256 bit memory bus between the GPU and it's memory where the 9500 has half that at a much lower speed.

While their clock speeds are roughly equivalent, the 9800GT is almost four times as powerful as the 9500gt.


So... Does that answer your questions?


edit: One more thing, neither one of those cards can make use of 1gb of video RAM, there's just not enough processing power to justify it. If you find a 512mb version for cheaper, go for it.

[heretician]

Thanks for the help everyone..

So I go to Best Buy to buy my newbish self a nice and awesome video card according to what I have been taught here on this topic annnd...


You guys left out the part about the power supply! :(

Lol.. Ended up getting the PNY 9800 GTX+ 512MB and a Black Widow 450W PC Gaming Power Supply ;)

Dont worry though, you guys didn't have to deal with me IRL, but the guy who did had a hell of a time describing why my stock dell power supply just wont cut it =p

[heretician]

Everything has been going good until I got ahold of Prototype, the game; my PC meets the minimum system requirements (just hits the RAM, only have 1.5gb ram) although I am still lagging (its spike lag, the same thing I am getting when I try to run SW:The Force Unleashed although I am 512mb RAM short of running that game) I am guessing it is the RAM and not my video card right? Could there be something wrong? I was told that this video card could run any game at full settings that is out right now.

[-RK]

That's what I'd assume if it's stuttering, what are the rest of your specs?

RAM speed? Arrangement? (3x512mb? 1x1gb/1x512mb?)

CPU type? Clock speed? Core?


It's also possible that the game is just poorly optimized.

[Radiator]

I reckon the problem is the lack of RAM ( 1.5 GB of RAM is a TINY amount as far as gaming goes ) .
What CPU are you using exactly ?

[-RK]

Also... What operating system? If you've got vista or Win7 then yeah, you'll need at LEAST 2gb RAM for gaming, preferably 4. With XP you'll be set with 2gb.

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