this cant be right, 256bit / 512mb?
both are lower then 8800GTX

9800 GTX 512MB (G92)
Texture Units: 56 (64)
8800 GTS 512MB (G92)
Texture Units: 64 (64)

so they downgraded the 8800GTS and made it into a 9800GTX?

This Isn't what I expected form Nvidia. They are reusing the g92 core to a card that is supposed to use a g100 core. If this is really a 9800gtx, then it is only worth for around $250 MAX. Hell, an overclocked 8800gts should be able to outperform the 9800gtx based on the specs alone.

This will be faster than an 8800GTX, don't let the specs fool you. It still has plenty of ROPs and way more texture units than the 8800GTX. Texture and shading power are most important in modern games. Pixel fillrate hasn't been that important in years. Memory bandwidth isn't as important as long as you have enough of it (The Radeon HD2900XT has the highest mem bandwidth of any card, and it obviously didn't do it any good) This card has a MASSIVE shader clock, so it will probably come out on top. I bet it even still has overclocking potential on the shader side.

I dont think this is for real. They cant seriously release a 9800 GTX with worse specs, or even only slightly upgraded specs seriosuly. Although I suppose they released 2 8800 GTS's. So you never know. Theres only two real possibilites:
A) This is for real and the 9800 GTX has some improved 3-Way-SLI capability, making it the best scaling card. Otherwise it wont sell when a 8800 GT OC'd is far cheaper and gets almost or the same results.
B) This is fake, and Expreview has a grudge of some sort vs nVidia and wants to kill the sort of "viral hype" that has been building up GPUs sales the past few months.

Also why would they re-use a G92 when they have G94 which performs better per sahder? I mean a 9600 GT has only 64 Shader Processors, and it performs at a level approaching a 8800GT. Not quite, but approaching. Lets just hope its fake. Otherwise this is a total nVidia sellout. (Although that does make the most business sense from a strictly sales perspective)

Hey gpureview people, why do you even have this on your page when it's not even coming out for another month. That gpuz picture seems fake, those specs suck, and I don't think anything should be said until its official from Nvidia. I could Photoshop a gpuz picture like that or even better. Whose to say that's not a fake picture? I just can't believe those are the supposable specs of nvidia's near flagship graphics card. Also why would they use the G92 in it, the freaking 9600gt has a g94! The 9800gtx was supposed to be a G100. These specs just don't make sense.

Yeah that person's right. ATI's 3870, (yes 3870, not the 3870 x2) has a higher Flops rating.
3870 = 496 GFLOPS

9800gtx = 432 GFLOPS?

This does not make sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I though what ATI did with the HD3800s was bad now the only way to know how a graphics card performs is the internet.

I wonder how the 9600 GT performs compared to this(if this does use a G92 then the x800 series will be disgraced).

I expected this card to have 256 Stream-Processor, 128 Texture Units and 32 Raster Operator (Double of 8800GTS 512MB) since rumours claim that this card is powered by 2 G92 cores like the Radeon HD3870 X2

Take this down. I didnt know GPU review started putting up RUMOR specs that arent official and almost 100% likely fake.

@anonymous and all the other doubters,

I really don't think these specs are rumors. I trust Expreview and the other sites that have reported the exact same specs. If we are wrong, the specs will be changed. As soon as the first reviews go up we will know what the real specs are and we will make sure our data is correct. You can't buy a 9800 GTX right now anyway, so why are you so concerned about the specs right now?

Everything is going to be OK. Take a deep breath think about cuddly puppies, and relax. If you don't relax, I swear I will change it to say that it has 2GB of DDR1 running at 5,000MHz and 2 shader processors. I have the power, and I am crazy enough to do it.

These specs are fake!!!!!!! Even the bandwith of the 9800gtx are lower than the 8800gtx. I smell... FAKE!!!!!!!!!!

Ha ha ha ha Man I love it. That is insane where do you come up with this stuff Evil Incarnate. 2GB DDR1 @ 5,000 Mhz and 2 shader Processors ha ha ha. Your going to make some people cry.

@GPU expert I think you are talking about the 9800GX2. Ummm wrong card.
Where did you read that?

Let's hope it's not another 7600GT->8600GT "upgrade" :)

These are what the specs are supposed to be:

Chip Technical process : 65- nm
Producer: TSMC
More than one billion transistors (681 mln. in G80, on which is built GeForce 8800 GTX)
Support FP 64- bits
Support GPGPU
Performance is more than 1 TFLOPS (trillion of operations with the floating point per second, in 8800 GTX this value is equal to 520 GFLOPS)
512- bit memory system bus (384 bits in G80)
UP To 1024 mb memory GDDR4
Support directX 10.1 and OpenGL 3.0
eDRAM memory as buffer, that ensures free 4- multiple anti-Aliasing (used now in gaming consoles)
Built-in audio chip with HDMI
Improved algorithms AA and AF

lol your funny Evil Incarnate...but yeah i hope that these are not real specs, i would rather it have the specs of incarnates 2gb ddr1 etc.

@sunny I read an article quite some times ago claiming that it has the amount of 256 Stream Processors. 128 Texture unit and the 32 RoPs is what some of my classmates at my university told me since it has 2 G92 cores in it.

wow, Radeon HD3870 X2 still beats this card, so many people says that 9800GX2 will own the Radeon HD3870 X2

@Evil Incarnate: lol, if you really change it to 2GB DDR @ 5GHz and 2 shader processors, Mike's gonna kill you...

My damn mistake, I thought this is the 9800GX2.... sorry guys

@evil incarnate
The puppies have fixed all,
Post puppy specs plz

@anonymous
Each puppy has 4 legs, a tail that can wag at up to 4 WPS (wags per second), 2 huge bright watery eyes, can yip and/or growl at up to 60 DBa, and can play at peak energy output for over 3 hours.

Evga is also offering a step-up program so that you can trade your puppy in for a newer model once your current puppy begins to show its age. This is a great deal because you don't have to feel guilty about throwing your old puppy into the trash, Evga will do it for you.

@Evil Incarnate, Evga will recycle it, remember, we must save the planet.....

anyway.... anybody wwant my Radeon 9250 and X1300PRO??

I think the only reason for this card existing is in response to AMD's HD3xx0 series confusion so people would not think they were a generation behind still the could have named the G92 8800s the same.

Idk about textures, despite that gpu-z, all news sites are reporting just a 8800GTS512 with some tri-sli capability.


Maybe a gpu-z update needed? Prolly not released yet.

9600GT SLi kills every card, they going for £222ish ;) nice

Since the 9600 GT with 64 shader processors prettymuch kept up with the 8800 GT , which has 112 , I'm expecting nothing but bad from this thing .

I'm not so sure about that, I think that has more to do with bandwidth limitation rather then pure performance.


Unless theres something we don't know about this new 9series, sside from super-sli scaling.


I don't see everyones problem though. Give or take a set of texture units the specs are accurate so I dont see why everyone is in denial. The only alternative to believing pretty much 6 or 7 news sites is your own imagination.

Please also do research as this is 9800GTX NOT 9800GX2 with 2 cores.

Erm, you do realise that every other website reporting this is also linking back to Expreview? The chances of this card having these specs is extraordinarily unlikely, especially as G92 seems to have a 1:2 TMU:Shader ratio but this seems to show 128:52 (however you want to simplify that, 32:13?)...

Now consider that the 'picture' of the 9800 GTX that was posted on VR-Zone was quite obviously a photoshop (look at it in a picture editor, there are loads of areas where the black is rgb < 444 and loads where it's rgb = fff. Not a real pic by far).

I'm also disappointed that unlike usual instead of waiting for a manufacturer to put their card up, you've just gone with an 'ifs and buts' hardware site...

Also, GPU-Z is hardly ever right pre-release, remember the 8800 GT? Yeah, I thought so.

An overclocked 8800GTS 512MB is faster than this.
This just insane.

Thats some serious WPS, I might have to get me an eVGA puppy. Sounds like some serious hardware

THIS IS a big damn FAKE!!!
8800GTX = 518.0 GFLOPS and 9800GTX = 432.128 GFLOPS? WTF? this is a big fake sorry...

all of u guys are nuts.check this site out. its gat the correct info of geforce 9800 gtx. brainless dummies. i really thoght u gys had atleast 1 nerve cell in your brains!!!!!!!!!!!!

o my god. did anyone check this site. the 3 way sli config? man its awesome in it??
u gota check this 1 out
www.legitreviews.com/articles/659/8/

This can't possibly be real. This is, for all intents and purposes, identical to the 8800 GTS G92, and is actually WORSE in the memory clock.

Not sure where the G92 rumor came from, but the G82, G72, etc were never used for the 800 series of any of the generations. The 800 series has always had a chip ending in 0. I think the 9800 GTX will be based on a G90 chip and hopefully provide a huge leap in performance over the 8800 GTX/Ultras. As for all the pics and specs floating around, they all originated from the same site and are easily fakeable. Nothing about them makes sense, especially considering that it's supposed to have dual 6 pin power supply, whereas the 8800gts had 1, so definately not just an OC of that.

@anonymous , who said it was fake - The 8800 GTX has a total of 518 , but uses around 300 , because the extra MUL is hardly being used .

this week some infos leaked about the Radeon HD 4000 Series, check it out!!

http://mygpu.info/newshd4000.htm

@ anonymous who posted these specs:

These are what the specs are supposed to be:

Chip Technical process : 65- nm
Producer: TSMC
More than one billion transistors (681 mln. in G80, on which is built GeForce 8800 GTX)
Support FP 64- bits
Support GPGPU
Performance is more than 1 TFLOPS (trillion of operations with the floating point per second, in 8800 GTX this value is equal to 520 GFLOPS)
512- bit memory system bus (384 bits in G80)
UP To 1024 mb memory GDDR4
Support directX 10.1 and OpenGL 3.0
eDRAM memory as buffer, that ensures free 4- multiple anti-Aliasing (used now in gaming consoles)
Built-in audio chip with HDMI
Improved algorithms AA and AF

Dude, these from AT LEAST last August!!!

http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-3164-view-GeForce-9800-GTX-details.html

When will this noob card release, I'm waiting.............

@anonymous - those were ESTIMATED .

I can't help but wonder , if the link that Jhonny posted is fake or not .

Jhonny that link is fake. It uses the same suffixes as the 3000 cards, and GDDR5 isn't even out yet.

so for all those who got upset and shot down the admin....

http://www.dailytech.com/GeForce 9800GX2 9800GTX Get the Greenlight/article11026.htm

it is just an OC'd 8800 GTS, with a dual chip version 9900 GX2

so you can now all say you're sorry :P

Soo which 1 is the best to go for

There are at least two parts of these specs that are wrong. The pipeline layout of the GeForce 8 and 9 have 2 MADD and 1 MUL. Second is the number of GFLOPS. 128 stream processors x 1688 shader clock x (2 MADD 1 MUL) = 128 x 1688 x 3 = 648.192 GFLOPS. That is the formula NVIDIA has used themselves on every other card; I doubt it would change on this one.

wow ... for some reason, I put a title in the place of the name above ...

Wow, I've seen so much bad info on the posts for this card...

for example: "800 series always ends with a "0" not a 2" (I'm assuming that you are talking about geforce 8800 series cards)

The 8800GT and GTS 512 use the G92 core.

Do some more research or state your point more clearly.

That said, I also think that the released info on this card is probably wrong. I don't think that Nvidia is so stupid that they would place a G92 in the 9800 when they could upgrade the G94. It's much more efficient.

You can't always believe what press says about a card, nor can you get all pissy at the admins for wanting to get SOME info about a new card out there.

So you can all stop pissing yourselves.


Why am I always so angry???

hmmm... Nv might just be thinking that ATI is going down the drain, so they don't have to do too much on new tech.

Just thought of that...

It's kind of a scary thought.

its not for real. ive already heard from so many sites the 9800's are supposed to support the dx10.1 and be much more powerful than that.

They only support dx10 but they do have all the texture units unlocked.

@Well, at least two things - You can't take the extra MUL into consideration , because it barely does anything .

And

DX10.1 ... it's bloody pointless . Look up what the real difference

between DX10 and DX10.1 is . Anyways , ATi might have saved their own

hides by pricing their cards right .

I'd like to see if the 9800 GTX is any different from the 8800 GTS 512MB performance wise .
@-rk - G94 has 64 SPs , while the G92 has 128 . It would be downright idiotic to use the G94 .

I was referrring to upgrading the more efficient g94's architecture to have more SPs.

And yea 10.1 is stupid for games. More or less the only thing it does is force AA.

But it seems like it IS going to use the g92 anyway, so...

So this is the real 9800gtx. Same g92 core as 8800gtx. Ati sucks, but their prices are good, Nvidia on the other hand just remodeling their g92 cores to be much more eficient, but selling them as a new gen at a high price. Who is willing to buy this 9800gtx when an overclocked 8800gts will perform almost the same?

@no name guy man: The 8800 GTX is G80, not G92. The new... Ahem 'new' G92 core is being used on the 9800 GTX (also used on the 8800 GT and 8800 GTS 512MB). I am also bitterly disappointed at nVidia right about now.

Heres how you change your crushing disapointment with nVidia into a big hearty grin:
Buy their stock -- they've performed extremely well in the business aspect

what the hell!!! now 4 cards have the same core

maybe it will cost at least 550$ for nothing new just some higher frequencies and i think the 9800gx2 will kick its ass

i think this card will have the same nvidia's green painting ... so boor

@-rk - they made a brand new core for the G94 , rather than upgrading the old one . FX series all over again.. well better performing compared to the competition , but still prettymuch the same compared to the previous generation .

yea, that's what I was saying.

They COULD have made a new core for the 9800 also, but they didn't.

t-break gave the article a tea break r wht?

this card sux cuz Nv wanna push their new technology into the much easier to promote name of the GeForce X! (geforce 10 for people who dont know roman numerals)

Does anyone have that article anymore? I'll try a Google Cache on it but I cant be sure. Maybe a Wayback Machine search will get me it? I'll post anything if I find it

whahahah! nvidia is quite stupid. wish we shall see some real horsepower in the next gen from dem-
The NVIDIA 10 Series-Based On The G92!!!!!!
wahahahahahahhaaaa....... the way it's meant to be repeated :D

nvidia is obcessed with physx. so cannot concentrate on geforce! this is the result- disppointment.
....NVIDIA

The way its meant to be repeated, I like that one alot man! Nice!

The GT200 or whatever it was sounds promising... and so does the R700 .

An 8800 GTX even OC'ed is still not as fast as an 8800 Ultra let alone an OC'ed one. My EVGA 8800 KO will chew up an OC'ed 8800 GTX. If anybody states otherwise, they don't know what they are talking about and need to do the research before they speak up.

anyway.... ATI is not putting up enough competition so Nvidia doesn't have to try as hard. we all know this..

Guys. NVIDIA are doing what ATI did. Remember, ATI's HD 3800 series is simply a die-shrunk and more power efficient version of the HD 2900 series. NVIDIA is doing the samething. They've re-releasing a more efficient G92 based card, or more than one for that matter.

Wait and see what NVIDIA has in store with the GT200 and ATI with the R700. The real battle with start once those cards are out.

nvidia has deacreased the mightiness of GTX name with this card

I think the voting system needs to be reworked. These scores are way off.

@Headfoot: Voting system fixed.

Many thanks! I dont want to see someone looking for legit information to find a spam'd score!

Um... time to impliment a paged reply system guys... this page is looking a little tall with like 50 replies :S

not much of an upgrade

Is it ok to run this card with a 600W PSU? Last i checked at nvidia's page was that it must run on a 750W PSU

I have an Ultra 600 Watt power supply and the card works great. Cant say the same for my battery backup. The Ultra 250 Watt cannot take the load of my hardware; playing Call of Duty 4 it shuts off after 1 min. of play. 8600GT didn't have that problem at all.